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Everyone Can Benefit from a Discipleship Group Meeting

After recently watching a Crappy Childhood Fairy video and reflecting on my own experience in an ACA group based on the original AA 12 step model, I think there are key aspects to include in group meetings focused on overcoming and maturity.

This experience is informed by the resources of the Conquer Series focused on overcoming pornography addiction (but really applies to every addiction or numbing behavior), listening to Pure Desire podcasts (stems from groups created for the previous), and reading Samson and the Pirate Monks by Nate Larkin, which describes additional support groups for this issue and the pro/cons of their experience with the 12 Steps. I was inspired to research porn addiction after a Marine buddy of mine shared his struggle with me and needed help.

Samson and the Pirate Monks

Some things I don’t specifically like about 12 step groups though (from research inspired by living with a roommate of mine who was involved in AA):

AA and the 12 steps are also derived from the spiritist-leaning Oxford Group in the 1930’s that resulted in the books: For Sinners Only by A.J. Russell and God Calling by two unknown women who acknowledged it was written via channeled spirits (later to inspire Sarah Young’s empire of Jesus Calling books, also admittedly channeled).

The philosophy of such things as the AA “serenity prayer” is also connected to the surprisingly ego-centric stoicism of Greek philosophy (remember: it is better to obey than sacrifice).

Then Samuel said, "Does the LORD take pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as he does in obedience? Certainly, obedience is better than sacrifice; paying attention is better than the fat of rams.
1 Samuel 15:22 (NET)

Interesting that this applied to Saul when he would also later (I Samuel 28:7) consult a medium or spiritist, and would later die for breaking YHWH’s command (Leviticus 20:27, Deuteronomy 18:11) in engaging in this practice (I Chronicles 10:13). I think it’s important to note that he was also a people pleaser (I Samuel 15:30).

For the living know that they will die, but the dead do not know anything; they have no further reward - and even the memory of them disappears. What they loved, as well as what they hated and envied, perished long ago, and they no longer have a part in anything that happens on earth. …Whatever you find to do with your hands, do it with all your might, because there is neither work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the grave, the place where you will eventually go.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10 (NET)

My original experience with the 12 steps was with AA through one of my Master’s degree hands-on assignments. At the time, I probably actually needed it, but couldn’t admit it. I was on a second enlistment in the Marine Corps in Iraq and a functional alcoholic and workaholic. The common denominator between those was a lack of caring about myself, and by extension, a lack of real care for others. Don’t get me wrong, I have always cared about people in the conventional sense and have a lot of empathic characteristics (this is the number one reason why I get inspired to research so much: to help others). But according to the Word, you cannot truly love others without it extending out of a real love for yourself. In community as in marriage, you take care of those who will have a direct impact on your own well-being; the damage of your spouse (injury to body or reputation or income, let’s say) has a direct impact on you. And this is how tight our community with fellow believers should be.

When it says we are “lovers of ourselves” in a derogatory way in the Word, we see that this kind of “love” stems from fear: fear that we’re not “enough” so we compensate: the focus is trying to people please instead of truly caring for yourself and others, such as would a good parent for their child. This should be a nurturing love that both cares and corrects. It’s balanced. And its outcome is health and not maladaptive survival mechanisms (like we see in all addictions and other behaviors that numb us to the reality that makes us afraid – instead of courageous in the face of fears). In some circles, this is called “re-parenting” yourself. See Tim Fletcher’s video about this.

He also has a good video series about “spiritual bypassing”, a term used when we try to spiritually justify our lack of work to grow up and mature, as we are called to do (I Corinthians 14:20, II Corinthians 13:9, Ephesians 4:13, Philippians 3:15, Colossians 4:12, and Hebrews 5:14 are only a few references).

II Timothy 3:2 speaks of “lovers of self”, which also means selfish when you look into the Greek meaning of the word philautos used here. There is a search of meaning and what might fill or satisfy you implied here. Maturity means we recognize these things that lure us in the world – temptation to act on our desires – that do not fill us up or satisfy. And we can no longer afford to be tripped up by these lesser things. In prophecy we see what comes quickly:

They will fling their silver into the streets, and their gold will become an abhorrent thing; their silver and their gold will not be able to save them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. They cannot satisfy their appetite, nor can they fill their stomachs, because their wrongdoing has become a cause of stumbling.
Ezekiel 7:19 (NASB 20)

Let us not be like the fallen Watcher beings at the beginning of our earth history who passed on their lesser, worthless knowledge (Genesis 6, Enoch 6-8, 16)!

This brings us to why we need these groups – they aren’t just a good idea. We need to support each other in maturity and real love for ourselves, each other, and our Elohim …in YHWH’s Way.

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. …Love never ends. But if there are prophecies, they will be set aside; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be set aside. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part, but when what is perfect comes, the partial will be set aside. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways.
1 Corinthians 13:1, 8-11 (NET)

If you attend a 12-step group, do not take this as judgement against you. I think there is still some usefulness for the things we learn in the world. But once we know what is better, and “good” as defined by the Word, I believe we should do better and create things to help each other more in line with it. I currently still attend an ACA group and realize that, just like the personality tests that originate from occultists like Carl Jung, there is some true knowledge there of people and their problems based on the gathered data of those people via research (such as the research done on the “laundry list” of issues experienced by adult children of dysfunctional homes). But there are going to be aspects that are not godly, and we need to learn to test those things. Do as the idiom I hear constantly these days: chew the meat and spit out the bones. I just hope to have more meat than bone-

More on the 12 Steps history and my experience:

Even the 12 steps originator Bill Wilson is said to have channeled the 12 steps. All these channelings are done via the occult practice of automatic writing, which even my own church at one time advocated. I even tried it until something prompted me to read the Amazon reviews of the book, that just so happened to be written by the pastor (see photos from Amazon below). At the time I had no awareness of the devil’s wiles via the occult and witchcraft. I no longer attend this church, but it has since dissolved and the building was even demolished. The fruit seems clear to me.

Test the spirits: Is the miracle you are experiencing leading you to another god? Do we prefer miracles, such as gaining sobriety, instead of eternal life? This self-centric tendency goes back to the spirit of the age where any god or higher power is fine…just don’t push it on anyone as the only right one.

Suppose a prophet or one who foretells by dreams should appear among you and show you a sign or wonder, and the sign or wonder should come to pass concerning what he said to you, namely, "Let us follow other gods" - gods whom you have not previously known - "and let us serve them." You must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer, for the LORD your God will be testing you to see if you love him with all your mind and being. You must follow the LORD your God and revere only him; and you must observe his commandments, obey him, serve him, and remain loyal to him. ...Suppose your own full brother, your son, your daughter, your beloved wife, or your closest friend should seduce you secretly and encourage you to go and serve other gods that neither you nor your ancestors have previously known, ...You must not give in to him or even listen to him; do not feel sympathy for him or spare him or cover up for him.
Deuteronomy 13:1-4, 6, 8 (NET)
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. ...They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world's perspective and the world listens to them. ...If anyone says "I love God" and yet hates his fellow Christian, he is a liar, because the one who does not love his fellow Christian whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And the commandment we have from him is this: that the one who loves God should love his fellow Christian too.
1 John 4:1, 5, 20-21 (NET)

I will get more into “Christian” channeling in another post soon – The Deception of Christian Mysticism Today.

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